The bundle is a must imho. Dev response is great.
UPDATE: Went back & tried to give it another shot w/response, but still found it clunky. Maybe instead of just providing ONLY one scenario hand example, offer the ability to change hands to make it more engaging, show what the outs are and what hands they would make up, calculate the outs & visually show the math with equity vs how it could be applied vs various pot odds instead of just an FAQ style page (which could basically sum everything up for the current design), and keep score or history like a game, for the example to reinforce the learning otherwise just knowing the well known rules of 4&2 is already enough. Also, learning from feedback instead of being overly defensive over the years may have led to a much better app, especially since there is a common trend among several reviews imho. Best of luck.
Update: Sincerely appreciate dev response to concerns and ideas. Updated rating and initial comments accordingly. Even using odds quizzer, I’m often left scratching my head wondering what cards are being considered in the apps calculation when my estimate is graded wrong. Suggestion there might be to include the outs when the user answers 48%, but the correct answer is 64% and the grade is F, for example. Maybe I’m missing another info button like the Tutorial below that explains it? Maybe it would help to have a section under help that simply explains how best to use the app to get started, like look at the hand, then look for similar pre-flop matchups in tutorial to get the odds, etc. That’s when it started “clicking” for me a little. Thanks.
Update: I sincerely appreciate the diligent correspondence from the developer to help me understand the scope of the apps that make up the bundle of three. At this point, the best suggestion I might offer might be to utilize our correspondence to create some form of better instructions to show how the three apps link together and how a new user, unfamiliar with their intended scope, should/would connect the dots from cradle to grave to save some time from others who might be willing to take the time to go down the rabbit hole and really try to learn this stuff. Again, thanks for sticking with me and best wishes. :-)
Needs Work IMHO - the bundle is better overall.
UPDATE: Went back & tried to give it another shot w/response, but still found it clunky. Maybe instead of just providing ONLY one scenario hand example, offer the ability to change hands to make it more engaging, show what the outs are and what hands they would make up, calculate the outs & visually show the math with equity vs how it could be applied vs various pot odds instead of just an FAQ style page (which could basically sum everything up for the current design), and keep score or history like a game, for the example to reinforce the learning otherwise just knowing the well known rules of 4&2 is already enough. Also, learning from feedback instead of being overly defensive over the years may have led to a much better app, especially since there is a common trend among several reviews imho. Best of luck.
Update: Sincerely appreciate dev response to concerns and ideas. Updated rating and initial comments accordingly. Even using odds quizzer, I’m often left scratching my head wondering what cards are being considered in the apps calculation when my estimate is graded wrong. Suggestion there might be to include the outs when the user answers 48%, but the correct answer is 64% and the grade is F, for example. Maybe I’m missing another info button like the Tutorial below that explains it? Maybe it would help to have a section under help that simply explains how best to use the app to get started, like look at the hand, then look for similar pre-flop matchups in tutorial to get the odds, etc. That’s when it started “clicking” for me a little. Thanks.
Response from developer
=== REPLY 2 ===: 1) Re. "instead of just providing ONLY one scenario hand example, offer the ability to change hands to make it more engaging" - This is a good suggestion, and our other app Hold'em Odds Quizzer does exactly this, quizzes you on many different and varied scenarios. We didn't see the need to do this in this Teacher app; we felt if you know the method for AA vs KK, ie that each player has 2 outs, use the Rule of 4&2, etc., then you don't really need to be shown KK vs QQ, JJ vs TT, etc. That is, you'll get the idea. It's in our Quizzer app where we mix up the situations much more. The Teacher and Quizzer apps are meant to complement each other in our suite of apps. 2) Re. "and keep score or history like a game, for the example to reinforce the learning" - Good idea; our Quizzer app does exactly this; gives you an A+ .. F score on all of the various quizzes, saves your results/grades so you can track your progress, etc. 3) Re. "Also, learning from feedback instead of being overly defensive over the years may have led to a much better app" - Sorry you felt we're being defensive; we were just saying that this Teacher app does give detailed explanations of its methods, which we don't think you saw on your first usage. Perhaps you are being too sensitive?, in thinking we're being defensive? Good luck in your poker. === REPLY 1 ===: This app does give explanations of how it comes up with the equity results. Did you tap the "Start Step-By-Step Tutorial" button for each scenario?; it sounds like you may have missed this. The tutorial leads you through the equity result calculation step by step, for each example scenario in the app. In Step1 you use the Rule of 4&2. In Step2 you estimate the counter-outs equity. And in Step3 you put it all together using some basic math operations to come up with the final equity estimate. There is a separate screen for each of these 3 steps. Not sure what more explanation we could have provided, directly within the app. If you have some suggestions pls write to us at our support email address. Regards, -RJ/PokerCruncher, LLC
Waste of Money
UPDATE: Went back & tried to give it another shot w/response, but still found it clunky. Maybe instead of just providing ONLY one scenario hand example, offer the ability to change hands to make it more engaging, show what the outs are and what hands they would make up, calculate the outs & visually show the math with equity vs how it could be applied vs various pot odds instead of just an FAQ style page (which could basically sum everything up for the current design), and keep score or history like a game, for the example to reinforce the learning otherwise just knowing the well known rules of 4&2 is already enough. Also, learning from feedback instead of being overly defensive over the years may have led to a much better app, especially since there is a common trend among several reviews imho. Best of luck.
Response from developer
=== REPLY 2 ===: 1) Re. "instead of just providing ONLY one scenario hand example, offer the ability to change hands to make it more engaging" - This is a good suggestion, and our other app Hold'em Odds Quizzer does exactly this, quizzes you on many different and varied scenarios. We didn't see the need to do this in this Teacher app; we felt if you know the method for AA vs KK, ie that each player has 2 outs, use the Rule of 4&2, etc., then you don't really need to be shown KK vs QQ, JJ vs TT, etc. That is, you'll get the idea. It's in our Quizzer app where we mix up the situations much more. The Teacher and Quizzer apps are meant to complement each other in our suite of apps. 2) Re. "and keep score or history like a game, for the example to reinforce the learning" - Good idea; our Quizzer app does exactly this; gives you an A+ .. F score on all of the various quizzes, saves your results/grades so you can track your progress, etc. 3) Re. "Also, learning from feedback instead of being overly defensive over the years may have led to a much better app" - Sorry you felt we're being defensive; we were just saying that this Teacher app does give detailed explanations of its methods, which we don't think you saw on your first usage. Perhaps you are being too sensitive?, in thinking we're being defensive? Good luck in your poker. === REPLY 1 ===: This app does give explanations of how it comes up with the equity results. Did you tap the "Start Step-By-Step Tutorial" button for each scenario?; it sounds like you may have missed this. The tutorial leads you through the equity result calculation step by step, for each example scenario in the app. In Step1 you use the Rule of 4&2. In Step2 you estimate the counter-outs equity. And in Step3 you put it all together using some basic math operations to come up with the final equity estimate. There is a separate screen for each of these 3 steps. Not sure what more explanation we could have provided, directly within the app. If you have some suggestions pls write to us at our support email address. Regards, -RJ/PokerCruncher, LLC
Waste of Money
Response from developer
This app does give explanations of how it comes up with the equity results. Did you tap the "Start Step-By-Step Tutorial" button for each scenario?; it sounds like you may have missed this. The tutorial leads you through the equity result calculation step by step, for each example scenario in the app. In Step1 you use the Rule of 4&2. In Step2 you estimate the counter-outs equity. And in Step3 you put it all together using some basic math operations to come up with the final equity estimate. There is a separate screen for each of these 3 steps. Not sure what more explanation we could have provided, directly within the app. If you have some suggestions pls write to us at our support email address. Regards, -RJ/PokerCruncher, LLC
Worth if you buy the €20 pack
It teaches you well what’s probably the easiest method to calculate equity in your head.
Honestly you can learn it without the app. It is just a very nice and straightforward way of learning it on the go.
I like that you can import the hands seamlessly in poker cruncher so that you can easily study them further.
PS: I found that for post flop equity against top pair, counting counter outs is often not needed as the impact on the figure is marginal. Postflop counting counter outs only matters when there are many of them.
